Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/18/2001 08:12 AM House EDU

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION                                                                            
                         April 18, 2001                                                                                         
                           8:12 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Con Bunde, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Brian Porter                                                                                                     
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Gretchen Guess                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 171                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to a curriculum for Alaska history; and                                                                        
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 239                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a pilot program for a regional learning                                                                    
center."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 218                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to funding for school districts operating                                                                      
secondary school boarding programs; and providing for an                                                                        
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 171                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:ALASKA HISTORY CURRICULUM                                                                                           
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)KAPSNER                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
03/09/01     0520       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/09/01     0520       (H)        EDU, HES, FIN                                                                                
03/13/01     0579       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): MORGAN                                                                         
04/18/01                (H)        EDU AT 8:00 AM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
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BILL: HB 239                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:VOCATIONAL EDUCATION PILOT PROGRAM                                                                                  
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)FOSTER                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
04/09/01     0903       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/09/01     0903       (H)        EDU, HES, FIN                                                                                
04/11/01     0971       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): JAMES                                                                          
04/18/01                (H)        EDU AT 8:00 AM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MARY KAPSNER                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 424                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as sponsor of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON, Deputy Commissioner of Education                                                                                 
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
801 West 10th Street                                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 171.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IRA PERMAN, President                                                                                                           
Alaska Humanities Forum                                                                                                         
421 West 1st Avenue                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
STEVE HAYCOX, Chair                                                                                                             
Board of Directors                                                                                                              
Alaska Humanities Forum                                                                                                         
3211 Providence Drive                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska 99508                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JON KUMIN, Commonwealth North                                                                                                   
808 East Street                                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL JONES                                                                                                                   
PO Box 1393                                                                                                                     
Nome, Alaska 99762                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of himself on HB 171.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ROGER PEARSON, Coordinator                                                                                                      
Alaska Geographic Alliance                                                                                                      
Institute of the North                                                                                                          
Alaska Pacific University                                                                                                       
PO Box 1354                                                                                                                     
Kenai, Alaska 99611                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DARROLL HARGRAVES, Executive Director                                                                                           
Alaska Council of School Administrators                                                                                         
326 4th Street                                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska 99811                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LARRY GOLDIN                                                                                                                    
400 East 24th Avenue                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska 99503                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 171.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JODY SMOTHERS MARCELLO                                                                                                          
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of herself in support                                                                  
of HB 171.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LARRY LaBOLLE, Staff                                                                                                            
to Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 410                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of the sponsor of HB
239.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DAVIS, Ph.D., Superintendent                                                                                               
Bering Strait School District                                                                                                   
PO Box 225                                                                                                                      
Unalakleet, Alaska 99684                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 239.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MARY KNODEL, City Council Member                                                                                                
City of Nome                                                                                                                    
PO Box 280                                                                                                                      
Nome, Alaska 99762                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 239.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LAVERNE SMITH, City Council Member                                                                                              
City of Nome                                                                                                                    
PO Box 1069                                                                                                                     
Nome, Alaska 99762                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 239.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SHARON SWOPE, Ph.D., Interim Superintendent                                                                                     
Nome City School District                                                                                                       
PO Box 131                                                                                                                      
Nome, Alaska 99762                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 239.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BOB MEDINGER, Teacher and Administrator                                                                                         
Lower Kuskokwim School District                                                                                                 
PO Box 1063                                                                                                                     
Bethel, Alaska 99559                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 239.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE JEANS, Manager                                                                                                            
School Finance and Facilities Section                                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
801 West 10th Street                                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska 99501                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions regarding HB 239.                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-26, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CON BUNDE  called the House Special  Committee on Education                                                               
meeting to  order at 8:12  a.m.  Members  present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Representatives  Bunde, Porter,  Green, Stevens,  and                                                               
Guess.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 171-ALASKA HISTORY CURRICULUM                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Contains testimony relating to SB 44, the companion bill.]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  171, "An Act relating to a  curriculum for Alaska                                                               
history; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0124                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MARY  KAPSNER, Alaska State  Legislature, Sponsor,                                                               
came forth and stated that  HB 171 requires students who graduate                                                               
from high  school in Alaska to  have taken the equivalent  of one                                                               
semester of  Alaska history.  She  explained that as far  back as                                                               
1981,  the State  Board of  Education  considered requiring  high                                                               
school  students  to  complete  a  year  of  Alaska  history  and                                                               
government.    In  1988,  Senator  Willie  Hensley  introduced  a                                                               
resolution  asking   the  State  Board  of   Education  to  adopt                                                               
regulations on  this matter.  She  stated that there have  been a                                                               
number of  organizations that have  expressed a  strong sentiment                                                               
that  this be  required,  including Commonwealth  North.   Alaska                                                               
Federation of Natives (AFN) has also offered a resolution.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER stated  that the first intent  of the bill                                                               
is  to  ensure that  every  future  Alaska high  school  graduate                                                               
receive instruction  in Alaska history through  a locally adopted                                                               
curriculum that meets the state's  social studies standards.  The                                                               
second [intent]  is that Alaska  school districts  should receive                                                               
instructional support needed to  put an Alaska history curriculum                                                               
in place  and to prepare teachers  to maximize the effect  of the                                                               
curriculum.  The third intent  is that outside money be possible.                                                               
She stated  that there is  a fiscal note,  but one of  the things                                                               
that has come up, particularly  working with the Alaska Municipal                                                               
League, is the  want for private contributors,  grantors, and the                                                               
federal government  to be able  to contribute to  the development                                                               
of curricula as  well.  She explained that Section  2 of the bill                                                               
adds charter schools to this  requirement, and Section 3 asks the                                                               
Department  [of  Education  and  Early  Development]  to  develop                                                               
curriculum for  grades 9 through  12.  Currently, she  said, many                                                               
school districts  in the state  require Alaska  history; however,                                                               
the requirements are  varied.  Many require that it  be taught in                                                               
the primary  grades, and  the intent  of this bill  is to  have a                                                               
strong civics  component in Alaska  history so when  voters reach                                                               
voting  time  they  are  well  aware  of  how  government  works,                                                               
especially Alaskan government.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0352                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  stated  that   she  thinks  one  of  the                                                               
strongest elements of the bill  is that it allows for flexibility                                                               
at the  district level.  Alaska  history can be taught  in a one-                                                               
semester stand-alone  course or woven into  other courses already                                                               
taught.  She  remarked that this would affect  students who begin                                                               
the ninth grade  on or after July  1, 2002.  She  said she worked                                                               
with many  different groups  on this  bill, including  the Alaska                                                               
Municipal  League,   the  Association   of  School   Boards,  the                                                               
Association  of School  Administrators,  NEA (National  Education                                                               
Association), and Commonwealth North.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  stated that  his concern is  that schools  have been                                                               
asked to  do a lot  [with the  High School Competency  Exam], and                                                               
that  [teachers might]  say they  need another  year to  meet the                                                               
challenges of the  competency test because they  now have another                                                               
requirement put on  them.  He inquired how schools  will be asked                                                               
to do this  without taking them off their central  task of making                                                               
children functionally literate.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  responded  that  this  was  one  of  her                                                               
primary concerns  as well,  when introducing  the bill,  which is                                                               
why  she left  it open  for  people to  use Alaska  history as  a                                                               
vehicle for teaching  other subjects.  She stated  that right now                                                               
a  teacher in  Dillingham  is including  Alaska  history in  [his                                                               
history  class]  and   says  it  is  making   his  students  more                                                               
interested in learning.  She added  that she was pleased to see a                                                               
fiscal note  and that the  department is  taking a close  look at                                                               
how it's going  to train people from various districts  on how to                                                               
teach Alaska history.   She said it is an  impressive fiscal note                                                               
-  $223,000  for  the  first   year  of  this  bill  and  $30,000                                                               
thereafter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0631                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE JOHNSON,  Deputy Commissioner  of Education, Office  of the                                                               
Commissioner,  Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development                                                               
(EED),  came  forth  and  stated   that  [the  EED]  worked  with                                                               
Representative Kapsner  and her  staff to  outline a  fiscal note                                                               
that would  be reasonable.   It is front-end-loaded  and involves                                                               
only $30,000 a year, which is  primarily to keep the web-based or                                                               
distance  delivery courses  up-to-date.   On the  front end  [the                                                               
EED]  will  develop a  comprehensive  curriculum  and offer  some                                                               
oversight and involvement  from a department person  working on a                                                               
half-time  basis.   Working with  a minimal  support staff,  that                                                               
person would develop a curriculum, take  it out on a pilot basis,                                                               
refine it, and then, during  the following summer, offer training                                                               
at the state's  expense for at least one person  from each school                                                               
district.   He added that obviously  $223,000 is a lot  of money,                                                               
but the return, if this is done well, could be very substantive.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  asked if the curriculum  that is developed                                                               
under this format could be a semester course.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  responded that it  could take many forms,  but there                                                               
would  be a  self-contained secondary  course for  a one-semester                                                               
course, for  districts that want  to do it  that way.   He stated                                                               
that [the EED]  has conceptualized this so that it  could be done                                                               
in modules  and be offered as  a broad array of  course offerings                                                               
or integrated curricula.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER stated  that one  of the  requirements for                                                               
graduation is  that each student  complete the curriculum  with a                                                               
passing grade.   He asked if  this is an unusual  requirement for                                                               
one history course.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  answered that the  concept of a state  history class                                                               
around the  nation is a relevant  one and occurs in  many states.                                                               
At  some  point at  the  elementary  level [students]  study  the                                                               
history of  their state.   They do the  same thing in  the middle                                                               
school, and then it is finalized  in the high school years with a                                                               
required class.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  remarked that  being required to  study is                                                               
one thing  and being  required to pass  or [the  student] doesn't                                                               
graduate is another thing.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON responded  that  he  thinks Representative  Porter's                                                               
reading [of  the bill] is correct;  the student would have  to be                                                               
successful with the  course.  He said many states  have this as a                                                               
graduation requirement.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER asked,  if the  Anchorage School  District                                                               
chooses to integrate this into  a series of courses, whether that                                                               
then means a student would have to pass each course.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON answered that he  thinks that would be something [the                                                               
EED] would have to work out in regulations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0970                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  stated that in  the Midwest, where  he went                                                               
to  school, both  civics and  state history  were provided.   The                                                               
state  history was  required to  pass, and  there was  a separate                                                               
test for  U.S. history.   He asked  how many states  require this                                                               
sort of thing.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  responded that  from the  information she                                                               
has from  the NCSL (National  Conference of  State Legislatures),                                                               
22 states require state history for graduation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  asked, if the competency  exam is developed                                                               
by 2004, whether this bill's 2006 date is in conflict with that.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON stated  that  there  is obviously  a  lot on  school                                                               
districts'   plates   right   now;  however,   this   [particular                                                               
requirement] may  not be  on their  plate at  this juncture.   He                                                               
said  people  [the EED]  has  talked  to, particularly  in  rural                                                               
Alaska, have  said if a  good quality curriculum can  be provided                                                               
that  is  self-contained and  if  a  teacher can  receive  modest                                                               
training,  it  will be  used  and  delivered.    If this  can  be                                                               
packaged in a way that it  is easy to use, creative, and engaging                                                               
for young  people, it will  probably relieve the teacher  of some                                                               
of  those   other  responsibilities  of  trying   to  create  the                                                               
curriculum  and   the  instructional  package  for   an  elective                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER remarked  that  one of  the things  being                                                               
worked on with the [EED] is  to make sure that there is something                                                               
on  the Internet  from  which rural  teachers  can obtain  lesson                                                               
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1147                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    GREEN   stated    that   he    champions   what                                                               
Representative  Kapsner   mentioned  about  the   integration  of                                                               
civics.  He  remarked that he thinks that is  one of the problems                                                               
with apathy among young voters;  they don't realize how important                                                               
voting  is.   He asked  if [combining  two courses]  could be  an                                                               
impediment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  responded  that   he  thinks  Representative  Green                                                               
touches on the same issue  that Representative Porter brought up,                                                               
which has  to do  with how  the curriculum will  be created.   He                                                               
stated that  if it is  done in the form  of modules and  a civics                                                               
course is required, then that  module could be integrated in that                                                               
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if that would be statewide.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON answered  no.   He  stated that  [civics]  is not  a                                                               
required course,  but if [schools]  don't offer civics  now, they                                                               
will  at least  get  the  civics portion  that  would come  about                                                               
through this curriculum.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated  that with the way the bill  is written, it is                                                               
really an expansion  of the High School  Competency Exam, because                                                               
it is  another state  requirement for graduation.   He  asked Mr.                                                               
Johnson what  the department's view  is on  this and what  he has                                                               
heard from rural schools.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1224                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  answered that  [the EED]  has not  heard a  lot from                                                               
school  personnel at  this  point in  time.   He  said he  thinks                                                               
people generally see the benefit of  a course of this nature.  He                                                               
said [the  EED] does not hear  the "cry of unfunded  mandate" and                                                               
he thinks that if [the EED]  develops the course and provides the                                                               
initial  training, it  can  be  self-sustaining through  distance                                                               
delivery courses and other opportunities.   He added that this is                                                               
not  to set  aside  how full  the "plates"  are  in local  school                                                               
districts and add another mandate from  the state level.  He said                                                               
he would  leave that up to  people's testimony on whether  or not                                                               
[the school districts] can cope with an additional mandate.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER noted that out  of the 55 school districts                                                               
in the  state, 46 already  require Alaska history at  some point,                                                               
but not for  graduation.  For example,  Anchorage School District                                                               
requires  it   at  second,  third,   and  seventh   grade,  while                                                               
Fairbanks,  Juneau, Sitka,  and Delta/Greely  are districts  that                                                               
don't require any Alaska history.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  asked if with modules  the full stand-alone                                                               
course  could be  offered or  else every  module that  is in  the                                                               
stand-alone course could be offered somewhere else.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON answered, that's correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1334                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS stated  that  the trainer  model is  great;                                                               
however,  she  is concerned,  when  only  one person  from  every                                                               
school district [is  trained], how bigger districts  are going to                                                               
integrate the curriculum.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  answered that [the  EED's] notion is that  the state                                                               
would pay  for one  [person] but the  local district  could elect                                                               
additional people to attend.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS asked  if there  is going  to be  a problem                                                               
with kids who come into the  system late, especially if there are                                                               
modules and [the students] can't take all of the courses.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER answered  that  she had  called Mr.  Ford                                                               
[the bill drafter from Legislative  Legal and Research Services],                                                               
and he is working on language to insert into the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1432                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
IRA  PERMAN, President,  Alaska Humanities  Forum, testified  via                                                               
teleconference.   He stated  that the  headline in  the Anchorage                                                             
Daily News spoke of the  Knowles Administration's efforts to deal                                                             
with racism  and the incident that  happened a few weeks  ago [in                                                               
Anchorage].  He  shared that the article states:   "We're here to                                                               
announce  action  to combat  a  dangerous  corrosion of  Alaska's                                                               
social  fabric."   He said  the article  didn't mention  that the                                                               
governor,  as a  solution, was  supporting  HB 171,  and said  he                                                               
hopes it was just an omission.   He remarked that he thinks there                                                               
is  nothing better  people  could do  to  stitch Alaska's  social                                                               
fabric together than to have  an opportunity to learn about their                                                               
common history  and heritage.  He  stated that about 45  or 46 of                                                               
Alaska's  school districts  currently require  an Alaska  history                                                               
and Alaska  studies course.   Unfortunately, the ones  that don't                                                               
happen to be Alaska's largest school districts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERMAN  stated that his purpose  in talking today is  to give                                                               
an  update of  what is  happening in  Anchorage.   Last week,  he                                                               
said,  a  large  group  of people  representing  the  Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce,  Commonwealth North,  Alaska Heritage  Center, and  the                                                               
Alaska Humanities  Forum met with Superintendent  Carol Comeau to                                                               
ask [the  Anchorage School District]  to begin a  process similar                                                               
to what  this bill is  proposing.  He stated  that Superintendent                                                               
Comeau has  invited [the Alaska  Humanities Forum] to  speak with                                                               
the school board in this regard  and is working to put together a                                                               
process  to work  this through  their  social studies  curriculum                                                               
committee.  He  pointed out that his observation  in Anchorage is                                                               
that  there is  a strong  feeling that  it's about  time this  is                                                               
done.  He  stated that what is making this  go through the school                                                               
systems  so far  is that,  unlike  previous attempts,  it is  not                                                               
trying to  displace anything  that is required  right now  or add                                                               
another  credit requirement.   There  are  eight required  social                                                               
studies  credits;  six  of  them   are  lined  up,  and  two  are                                                               
electives.  This  would take one of those two  electives and make                                                               
it a requirement, just like the  other six.  The only real change                                                               
would be the need for teacher training.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  stated  that  the  bill  as  it  is  written  would                                                               
basically expand the graduation  requirements and expand the High                                                               
School  Competency Exam,  because  [the students]  would have  to                                                               
pass this [course] to  get a diploma.  He asked  Mr. Perman if he                                                               
is also  in support of expansion  of the competency test,  or the                                                               
bill as it is written.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERMAN  responded that  he is  in favor  of giving  this some                                                               
teeth and  thinks that  it is important  that kids  learn [Alaska                                                               
history].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1860                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  HAYCOX,  Chair,  Board  of  Directors,  Alaska  Humanities                                                               
Forum, testified  via teleconference  in support of  HB 171.   He                                                               
stated:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I  am  a professor  of  history  at the  University  of                                                                    
     Alaska Anchorage,  where I have taught  Alaska History,                                                                    
     History  of the  American West,  and American  Cultural                                                                    
     History for  31 years.  University  of Washington Press                                                                    
     will publish my new History  of Alaska later this year.                                                                  
     I'm a  present board member  and past president  of the                                                                    
     Alaska Historical  Society, [and] present  board member                                                                    
     and past  president of  Cook Inlet  Historical Society.                                                                    
     For six  years I  have been  a member  of the  board of                                                                    
     directors of  the Alaska Humanities Forum  and for four                                                                    
     years chair of  the board.  I very  much appreciate the                                                                    
     work of  Representative Kapsner  and cosponsors  of the                                                                    
     bill  and I  very  much appreciate  the opportunity  to                                                                    
     speak   for  history   and   for   an  Alaska   history                                                                    
     requirement. ...  I heartily support passage  of HB 171                                                                    
     and  its  Senate  companion,   S[B]  144,  requiring  a                                                                    
     semester of Alaska  History.  I hope you've  all had an                                                                    
     opportunity  to  read  Commonwealth North's  report  on                                                                    
     this issue or will  take advantage of that opportunity.                                                                    
     Commonwealth  North  and  AFN ...  both  recommend  the                                                                    
     requirement.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Knowledge  of   our  past,  of  course,   helps  us  to                                                                    
     understand who we  are and how we got to  be the way we                                                                    
     are; and that helps us  make better judgments.  It also                                                                    
     creates  due  honor  to those  who  make  [significant]                                                                    
     contributions  to creating  the world  we live  in, and                                                                    
     understanding those  who were victimized by  the way it                                                                    
     came  to be,  and why.  ... I  think this  knowledge is                                                                    
     critical for  Alaskan young people.  ... I  can't begin                                                                    
     to count the  number of not just high  school kids I've                                                                    
     talked to  ... but  even college kids  who come  in and                                                                    
     can't tell  me who  Ernest Gruening  was or  who Robert                                                                    
     Service  was or  who Bob  Bartlett was,  let alone  the                                                                    
     more  obscure  people.  ... I  believe  that  the  most                                                                    
     fundamental reason  for a state history  requirement is                                                                    
     that it  will help  bring Alaskans  together.   It will                                                                    
     make better Alaskans, and a better Alaska society.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     History  examines  and  can  make  connections  between                                                                    
     human beings.   Recognizing that  we all have  the same                                                                    
     background gives  us something  in common.   And though                                                                    
     each of us  brings our own set  of unique circumstances                                                                    
     to  Alaska and  to our  own particular  communities and                                                                    
     neighborhoods,  we bring  those individualities  to the                                                                    
     same place, a  place that has the same  history for all                                                                    
     of  us. ...  That  gives  us a  commonality,  a way  of                                                                    
     connecting.  I  think we need ways to  connect, a sense                                                                    
     of community in  Alaska.  Our transiency  rate is still                                                                    
     high, as  many people are  not here primarily  to build                                                                    
     an Alaska  community; they  intend to  retire somewhere                                                                    
     else.   That's a perspective that  prevents people from                                                                    
     focusing  on  others  that   might  be  different  from                                                                    
     themselves, who  might live in ways  that are different                                                                    
     and have  different cultures.   History provides  a way                                                                    
     of understanding what  it is to be human  [and] what we                                                                    
     share in common  with others who are in  the same place                                                                    
     where  we  are  -  the   place  we  call  "our  place."                                                                    
     History, in  other words, will  humanize Alaska  - give                                                                    
     it  context, and  texture, and  human meaning.   I  can                                                                    
     think of  hardly anything more valuable  to our schools                                                                    
     and more  valuable that we  as Alaska leaders  could do                                                                    
     for Alaska and for our students.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1896                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JON KUMIN,  Commonwealth North,  testified via  teleconference in                                                               
support of  HB 171.  He  stated that the purpose  of Commonwealth                                                               
North  is  educating  its  members and  all  Alaskans  on  public                                                               
policy.  In  1999 [Commonwealth North] undertook  the Urban Rural                                                               
[Unity] Study,  which covered  a variety of  topics.   The effort                                                               
was co-chaired by Janie Leask and  Rick Mystrom, and a report was                                                               
issued in  September of  2000 that  summarized what  was learned.                                                               
One of  the common themes  was a universal regret  that Alaskans,                                                               
typically,  are   not  well  informed  about   [Alaska]  history.                                                               
Because of that, the final  report included six action items, one                                                               
of which was to seek a  mandated Alaska history course so that as                                                               
Alaska's  students graduate  from high  school they  will have  a                                                               
basic understanding of  the history.  An ongoing  study group was                                                               
formed to  look in  to this  research.   Initially, he  said, the                                                               
group  sought input  from a  variety of  people, including  those                                                               
that were involved in the earlier  effort.  Back in the late '80s                                                               
this was tried, but it didn't pass.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUMIN stated  that this group didn't just seek  out those who                                                               
would be in obvious support  such as the Alaska Historic Society,                                                               
The Geographic  Alliance, The Cook  Inlet Historical  Society, or                                                               
the Historical Commission, but tried  to find those who might not                                                               
be.    He said  the  group  talked  to  Rich Kronberg  from  NEA,                                                               
teachers,  Carl  Rose  from  the  Alaska  Association  of  School                                                               
Boards, and Darroll  Hargraves from the Alaska  Council of School                                                               
Administrators,  trying to  identify what  possible issues  these                                                               
various stakeholders might  have that would cause them  to not be                                                               
in full favor of this.   From talking to these people and hearing                                                               
their  concerns,   the  study  group   was  able  to   work  with                                                               
Representative Kapsner and help  incorporate language in the bill                                                               
to  address those  concerns.   The upshot,  he said,  was that  a                                                               
strong consensus was developed from  groups who were sufficiently                                                               
concerned  about  this.   The  NEA,  for  example, has  passed  a                                                               
resolution in favor of this.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUMIN concluded  by stating that like Ira  Perman, he doesn't                                                               
think it is appropriate for  [Commonwealth North] to get into the                                                               
details of  how to  put the  curriculum together.   [Commonwealth                                                               
North] believes  that it  is the  job of  the legislature  to set                                                               
expectations,  and   it  is  a  reasonable   expectation  of  the                                                               
legislature for  Alaskan students,  when they graduate  from high                                                               
school to know something about their history.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2130                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL JONES  testified via teleconference on  behalf of himself                                                               
on HB  171.  He  stated that he came  this morning opposed  to HB
171  because  of  some  technical   issues  with  the  bill,  but                                                               
Representative     Kapsner's    introduction     corrected    his                                                               
misconceptions.  He said he is  a teacher employed by Nome public                                                               
schools and  is endorsed in  the area of  history.  As  a history                                                               
teacher  and  student,  he  remarked that  he  does  support  the                                                               
promotion  of history;  however,  he asked  [the legislature]  to                                                               
keep in  mind that this  is one  more requirement on  the schools                                                               
and to always consider any  potential requirements seriously.  He                                                               
stated that he commends [the  committee] for addressing three key                                                               
issues with  the bill:   the effective  date, so that  it doesn't                                                               
affect  current high  school students;  the flexibility  that the                                                               
bill now gives  schools and school districts  to implement Alaska                                                               
studies or  Alaska history; and  the fiscal note that  shows that                                                               
the legislature does appreciate that  there are costs for schools                                                               
and school districts when new mandates are in place.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2179                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROGER   PEARSON,   Coordinator,   Alaska   Geographic   Alliance,                                                               
Institute of the North, Alaska Pacific University, testified via                                                                
teleconference.  He stated:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I  have  been involved  in  education  in Alaska  since                                                                    
     1976, both  at the  University of Alaska  Fairbanks and                                                                    
     now at the  Institute of the North.   As a professional                                                                    
     educator,  I  have been  and  remain  excited to  teach                                                                    
     others  about  the  history and  geography  of  Alaska.                                                                    
     Based  on my  25  years of  working  with students  and                                                                    
     teachers in Alaska, I have  found them to be fascinated                                                                    
     with this state and eager to learn more about it.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill  171 directly addresses the  need for Alaska                                                                    
     studies  for students.   For  teachers, the  matter was                                                                    
     addressed years ago, as committee  members know.  To be                                                                    
     certified  as  an  Alaskan   teacher,  one  must  first                                                                    
     complete a course in Alaska  studies.  That requirement                                                                    
     applies  to  all Alaska  teachers.    I would  like  to                                                                    
     address  the role  of  the  Alaska Geographic  Alliance                                                                    
     [AGA] in what it has done  and can do to promote Alaska                                                                    
     studies as emphasized in HB 171.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The AGA works to  prepare Alaska's students to function                                                                    
     effectively   in   a   global   society   through   the                                                                    
     development of  geographic literacy.  To  that end, the                                                                    
     AGA  has since  1988 provided  professional development                                                                    
     institutes for  over 300 Alaska teachers  and developed                                                                    
     the Alaska:  A Land in Motion,  an elementary textbook;                                                                  
     Alaska in  Maps, a  printed atlas;  and also  a CD-ROM.                                                                  
     The  AGA   also  involves  our  statewide   network  of                                                                    
     teachers in  the annual Alaska Geographic  Bee ... and,                                                                    
     with  support from  the Alaska  Science and  Technology                                                                    
     Foundation,  this   year's  AGA   "Harriman  Expedition                                                                    
     Retraced" project.   This project  focuses on  the last                                                                    
     100   years  of   Alaska  history   and  will   receive                                                                    
     nationwide attention with a PBS  documentary film.  The                                                                    
     AGA  will   develop  Harriman-related,  standards-based                                                                    
     classroom  materials to  be used  in Alaska  classrooms                                                                    
     for years to come.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The AGA is  in a unique position to help  carry out the                                                                    
     aims of  HB 171.   The National Geographic  Society has                                                                    
     offered  a  challenge  grant  of   up  to  $500,000  to                                                                    
     permanently  endow  the  organization.   Several  other                                                                    
     state  legislatures have  met  this  challenge, and  we                                                                    
     hope  that  our  legislature  will do  the  same.    As                                                                    
     background,  between 1988  and  1996  the Alaska  State                                                                    
     Legislature funded the AGA nearly  $700,000 with a one-                                                                    
     time $300,000  textbook grant,  plus $50,000  per year.                                                                    
     This   state   support   has   strengthened   geography                                                                    
     education and Alaska studies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska Geographic Alliance  stands ready to further                                                                    
     develop a  standards-based Alaska  geography curriculum                                                                    
     that would  meet the aims of  this legislation, whether                                                                    
     the  mandates come  from this  body or  from individual                                                                    
     school  districts.    And although  AGA  membership  is                                                                    
     split  on the  subject of  mandates, we  firmly believe                                                                    
     Alaska history  and Alaska  geography should  be taught                                                                    
     in the  schools, and  have made  that our  mission from                                                                    
     the beginning.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I might add ... that a few  years ago I had a chance to                                                                    
     speak with Gil Grosvenor,  the chairman of the National                                                                    
     Geographic Society.   He  told me  that there  had been                                                                    
     more   articles   written    in   National   Geographic                                                                  
     [magazine]" on  Alaska than  on any  other region.   So                                                                    
     obviously  there   is  a  national   and  international                                                                    
     interest in Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-26, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 0027                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DARROLL HARGRAVES,  Executive Director, Alaska Council  of School                                                               
Administrators   (ACSA),  came   forth   and   stated  that   the                                                               
superintendents met recently in support of  HB 171.  He said this                                                               
is a point  that is not spoken  of too much in  modern times, but                                                               
there was a  time when public education was  recognized as making                                                               
good  citizens out  of the  students.   He remarked  that he  was                                                               
pleased  when business  people in  Anchorage were  taking up  the                                                               
"drumbeat" for  the need for  this type of a  bill.  This  is not                                                               
the first time the  state has made an effort to do  this.  In the                                                               
'70s  a lot  of effort  was made  to develop  materials; however,                                                               
that effort  didn't "catch fire."   He  added that ACSA  offers a                                                               
course called Alaskan History for Teachers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE remarked  that  he would  be  interested in  getting                                                               
feedback from  [the ACSA]  about this  expansion of  a graduation                                                               
requirement or the expansion of the competency exam.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  stated that  she  would  like to  offer  a                                                               
conceptual  amendment   that  the   department  may   waive  this                                                               
provision for a  student who transfers in and  cannot satisfy the                                                               
requirement of this section.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  stated  that  she is  in  favor  of  the                                                               
amendment  and  will   write  it  up  in  a   new  CS  (committee                                                               
substitute).                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0400                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY GOLDIN  testified via teleconference on  behalf of himself.                                                               
He  stated that  he is  a  filmmaker and  has made  two films  on                                                               
Alaska history.  One was "Alaska  at War" and the second was "The                                                               
Land is  Ours."   He said when  he shows them  in Alaska  he gets                                                               
very  positive  responses  from  people  in  the  audience.    He                                                               
remarked that  he has  come away  from this  with the  sense that                                                               
Alaskans are hungry for their  own history.  People love history;                                                               
the common  wisdom that people  aren't interested in  history, he                                                               
said, is  wrong.   He stated  that some  students in  high school                                                               
might think that this is dull,  but as they get into it, students                                                               
may have their interest piqued.   He said he has seen that happen                                                               
time and time again.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOLDIN   concluded  by  stating  that   everybody  has  been                                                               
concerned about the stability of  society in Alaska due to recent                                                               
events, and he  believes that the more  people understand Alaskan                                                               
history, the  more they  will understand that  this is  a diverse                                                               
state and that all of the  various people who live here have made                                                               
very important contributions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JODY SMOTHERS MARCELLO testified  via teleconference on behalf of                                                               
herself.   She stated that  she has  worked for the  Sitka School                                                               
District in  curriculum assessment and staff  development, and is                                                               
a social  studies educator.   Presently, she  is on  the steering                                                               
committee  of the  Alaska Geographic  Alliance and  co-chairs the                                                               
Geography  Content Standards  Committee.    Those standards,  she                                                               
said, were  adopted in 1994.   She noted that Sitka  does require                                                               
Alaska  studies.   Addressing the  title  of the  course and  the                                                               
standards-based portion of  that, she suggested that  the bill be                                                               
amended to require a standards-based  Alaska curriculum in grades                                                               
9 through 12, not just in Alaska history alone.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMOTHERS MARCELLO  remarked  that the  State  of Alaska  and                                                               
[Sitka] have adopted content  standards in geography, government,                                                               
citizenship, and history.  Putting  a label of "history" alone on                                                               
the curriculum  may narrow the  focus in many people's  minds and                                                               
the  bill  itself  attests  to  a  broad  spectrum  of  needs  of                                                               
[Alaskans]  arising  from  demographics,  economics,  and  social                                                               
needs.  She  stated that demographics, for  example, are included                                                               
in the  geography standards in  that a student  should understand                                                               
and be able to interpret  the geographic characteristics of human                                                               
systems   including  migration   movement,  the   interaction  of                                                               
cultures, economic  activity, settlement patterns,  and political                                                               
units in the  state, nation, and world.  Economics,  she said, is                                                               
also addressed  under the government citizenship  standards.  She                                                               
stated that social  needs, as mentioned in the bill,  rest in all                                                               
three sets  of standards  as well as  in the  cultural standards.                                                               
She said she  hopes the standards-based component  of this course                                                               
will  fall in  all four  standards and  not just  in the  history                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMOTHERS MARCELLO  stated  that second,  she  would like  to                                                               
speak for the  [Sitka School] District in supporting  the bill in                                                               
terms  of  a  curriculum  consisting of  modules  taught  in  the                                                               
respective  social studies  classes required  at the  high school                                                               
level.  For example, in  Sitka the American studies teachers have                                                               
a unit on  Native American Alaska in  a freshman-required course.                                                               
In  11th grade  government,  Ninilchik  Native tribal  government                                                               
from  the  political systems  of  Alaska  is studied  along  with                                                               
American government, and she, as  a guest instructor, just taught                                                               
global issues  in a  required senior  course debating  whether or                                                               
not to  open ANWR (Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge)  to drilling                                                               
and looking at its global aspects.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SMOTHERS  MARCELLO  remarked   that  [people  in  Sitka]  do                                                               
recognize  the need  for the  Alaska curriculum  for high  school                                                               
students, but need to be  able to organize learning opportunities                                                               
based  on the  students' needs  as  they progress  from grades  9                                                               
through  12, and  from the  levels of  thinking that  high school                                                               
students go  through.  By  having the requirement in  the various                                                               
courses, students  are engaged to  think about Alaskan  issues at                                                               
the various stages of their development.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 171 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 239-VOCATIONAL EDUCATION PILOT PROGRAM                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 239, "An Act  establishing a pilot program  for a                                                               
regional learning center."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1006                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  LaBOLLE, Staff  to Representative  Richard Foster,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature, came  forth on  behalf of  the sponsor  of HB
239.   He  stated that  along  with the  sponsor statement,  [the                                                               
committee] should  have received  a letter  from Dr.  John Davis,                                                               
superintendent of the Being Strait  School District, who has been                                                               
working with  the community of Nome  on the idea of  developing a                                                               
regional learning center utilizing the  Nome Beltz Complex.  This                                                               
is a large  vocational complex that was built by  the BIA (Bureau                                                               
of  Indian Affairs)  and  is operated  as  a vocational  boarding                                                               
school.   He  stated that  the impetus  of this  came out  of the                                                               
Legislative Budget  and Audit Committee  hearings that  were held                                                               
last summer, which looked at education  in Alaska.  Part of their                                                               
finding  was  that there  is  a  lot  of interest  in  developing                                                               
specialized regional  schools.   The interest  in Nome  seemed to                                                               
develop at  that time, and  there have been contacts  between the                                                               
school district and the City of Nome.   The City of Nome has also                                                               
come  out in  support of  the  concept and  is currently  seeking                                                               
money from the  federal level for a pilot program  and would like                                                               
recognition.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked how this bill  would relate to the  attempt to                                                               
eliminate boarding schools during the Molly Hootch era.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE responded  that he  was an  administrator in  state-                                                               
operated schools when the program  [originally] was in operation.                                                               
He stated that there were  supervision problems and problems with                                                               
students who  were not  ready to  be away from  home.   These are                                                               
issues that  still need to be  dealt with; however, he  said when                                                               
he looked  at the complex, he  saw tremendous potential to  run a                                                               
program  similar  to the  concepts  that  Dr. Davis  has  brought                                                               
forward.  The vocational facilities  are there; life skills could                                                               
be taught, [in part] because there  is a swimming pool; and there                                                               
is  the opportunity  for students  to  go into  the community  in                                                               
work-study programs.  These would  provide opportunities that are                                                               
not  available in  small villages.   He  added that  he does  not                                                               
think it is the answer for  everybody.  For example, if there are                                                               
only two  high school students  in Diomede  and one goes  to Nome                                                               
for a year, the high school population is cut by 50 percent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated  that he is personally  acquainted with Native                                                               
leaders who had  the opportunity to gain immensely  from a larger                                                               
school and network with other people throughout the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1254                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS asked if this  would be a boarding school or                                                               
a  regional learning  center where  people would  go for  a short                                                               
amount of  time, similar to  Chugach School  District's Anchorage                                                               
House.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE  responded that  he  has  conceptualized that  there                                                               
would  be a  flexible schedule  at Beltz  with block  scheduling.                                                               
Students would  be able to  come in  for a nine-weeks'  block and                                                               
have a  concentrated course  such as  welding plus  core courses.                                                               
He  explained  that from  a  management  standpoint there  is  no                                                               
reason why  there couldn't  be blocks of  time that  would extend                                                               
over one year  if a student were in  an aircraft [concentration];                                                               
one semester if a student  were dealing with welding; or possibly                                                               
nine weeks if  a student were studying home economics.   He added                                                               
that if  students coming out of  the program are to  be ready for                                                               
an apprentice  program, there would  need to be longer  blocks of                                                               
time with more concentration.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  asked if it would  be nine weeks to  a year                                                               
for grades 9 through 12.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE answered, yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS stated  that one of her concerns  is on page                                                               
2,  line 2,  where  it specifies  three things  that  need to  be                                                               
established.  She  said she doesn't see anything  that deals with                                                               
the reading,  writing, and mathematics  standards.  She  said she                                                               
would  be  more comfortable  if  there  were discussion  of  high                                                               
school curricula or essential skills.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE  responded that  the  districts  already have  their                                                               
curriculum and graduation requirements.   Any student who goes to                                                               
this  program  will  have  to  complete  all  of  the  graduation                                                               
requirements of his or her school district.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  asked  if  [those  requirements]  will  be                                                               
taught at the regional center.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  answered yes,  because Beltz  High School  is there.                                                               
For example,  the carpentry program  that was taught when  he was                                                               
superintendent there was a half-day, two-year course.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1458                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN stated  that page 2, Section  2, mentions an                                                               
effective date beginning July 1,  2001, and ending June 30, 2005,                                                               
and an enrollment of  at least 1,750 but no more  than 2,000.  He                                                               
asked if  there is assurance  of funding  and that there  will be                                                               
that many [students enrolled].  He  also asked if this would work                                                               
if there were less than 1,750 [students].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  responded that this  is the size the  REAA [Regional                                                               
Educational Attendance Area] school  district must fall within in                                                               
order to avoid special-interest legislation.   He stated that the                                                               
Bering Strait  School District falls  within that  size category.                                                               
He added that the number of  students probably gives some idea of                                                               
the  core  that  they  have  to draw  from  in  terms  of  funds,                                                               
students,  and the  interest  in  the program.    For many  years                                                               
Bering   Strait   brought   students  into   Nome   for   special                                                               
instruction; they  were housed  in the  community for  periods of                                                               
time and had blocks of studies dealing with vocational programs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE inquired about Mr.  LaBolle's mention of a 50 percent                                                               
change in the high school population.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE replied  that his assumption would be  that the money                                                               
would follow the students.  He said  part of why this needs to be                                                               
worked  out carefully  as a  pilot program  is because  those are                                                               
issues that need to be addressed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1589                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  asked what vocational education  would be                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  responded that  the complex was  built to  deal with                                                               
automotive skills,  carpentry, home  economics, and welding.   In                                                               
the area  of business education,  early word  processing programs                                                               
were put  in place.   He said he couldn't  tell what is  in place                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1651                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   DAVIS,  Ph.D.,   Superintendent,   Bering  Strait   School                                                               
District,  testified via  teleconference.   He  stated that  [the                                                               
Bering  Strait School  District] sees  this program  as one  that                                                               
would grow  over the course of  the years, and does  not consider                                                               
it primarily a boarding program but  a house program.  This would                                                               
be an effort to supplement  current high school programs found in                                                               
the Bering Strait  School District and the  Nome School District.                                                               
Each of the  districts has had to pare back  its programming over                                                               
the course  of years because of  funding.  He stated  that [these                                                               
districts]  want to  meld  the available  resources  in the  Nome                                                               
Beltz  facility  and  the  large   number  of  students  the  two                                                               
districts have combined  by adding additional programs.   At this                                                               
time  the Bering  Strait School  District  would not  only be  in                                                               
charge of  supervising the students  but educating  the students,                                                               
whether  they  be  in  the  Bering  Strait  schools  or  in  this                                                               
facility.   The Nome School  District would maintain  control and                                                               
supervision of  its students as well.   He stated that  the issue                                                               
of  where  the money  does  or  does  not  go could  be  answered                                                               
quickly.   The program would be  expected to be supported  by the                                                               
current ADM  (average daily  membership) funding;  however, there                                                               
would need to be help with  the boarding and traveling portion of                                                               
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. DAVIS stated that [this  program], hopefully, will provide an                                                               
opportunity for  students to become  more interested  and engaged                                                               
in careers  that are  traditionally not  seen as  true vocational                                                               
programs,  such  as health  care,  education,  aviation, and  law                                                               
enforcement.  He said this  program is seen as servicing students                                                               
who are deemed  successful in completing their  core programs and                                                               
moving   toward  successful   completion  of   the  High   School                                                               
Competency  Exam.     Those  [core]  programs   will  be  offered                                                               
primarily  in [the  students'] home  site; however  they will  be                                                               
supplemented when  the students  are visiting the  Nome facility.                                                               
He added  that he does  not see  the Nome facility  housing 1,700                                                               
[students] at a particular time,  but believes it will start much                                                               
smaller.   Hopefully, the program  will grow to  ultimately serve                                                               
an apprentice-style program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1801                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY KNODEL,  City Council  Member, City  of Nome,  testified via                                                               
teleconference in favor of HB 239.  She stated:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The City  of Nome  ... participated in  the Legislative                                                                    
     Budget and  Audit Committee's Regional  Learning Center                                                                    
     discussions last  summer while they were  here in Nome.                                                                    
     At  that time  we discussed  the merits  of a  regional                                                                    
     learning  center  concept  and   how  Nome  could  help                                                                    
     accomplish a successful program.   The City of Nome has                                                                    
     discussed a Regional Learning  Center pilot with [U.S.]                                                                    
     Senator Stevens for the past  three years.  As recently                                                                    
     as two weeks ago, during  Senator Stevens visit to Nome                                                                    
     for  our   100th  birthday  celebration,   we  informed                                                                    
     Senator Stevens of  HB 239 and its  possible impacts to                                                                    
     Nome.   Senator  Stevens  is looking  to  the state  to                                                                    
     support operations of a regional  learning center.  The                                                                    
     senator has  indicated to  us he  is excited  about the                                                                    
     pilot project bill and is waiting on state actions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The City of Nome, the  Nome Public School District, and                                                                    
     the  Bering Strait  School  District  have presented  a                                                                    
     conceptual  plan  for  a regional  learning  center  to                                                                    
     Senator  Stevens.    Dr. Davis  has  spoken  about  our                                                                    
     partnership.   Nome has the  facilities to  assist with                                                                    
     the  successful  development  of  this  pilot  project.                                                                    
     There are a  number of things that we  see as important                                                                    
     to this  region.  One  would be that helping  those who                                                                    
     have not  yet completed their high  school education be                                                                    
     able to  commute to Nome  for short periods of  time to                                                                    
     pick  up  or  complete   a  particular  or  specialized                                                                    
     course.   Maybe they need a  [trigonometry] course that                                                                    
     can't be offered at Little  Diomede. ... Also, it would                                                                    
     help those  young adults -  hopefully with  creation of                                                                    
     grades 13 and  14 - who are 17 years  [old] to 20 years                                                                    
     old who have completed  their high school education but                                                                    
     haven't decided  on a  career.  Maybe  it will  help to                                                                    
     bring  them to  do  some career  development and  maybe                                                                    
     find a  direction for them  to go on in  the vocational                                                                    
     area here [or] maybe elsewhere  in the state and beyond                                                                    
     that.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It will  also ... create  employment of all  the people                                                                    
     in  this  region with  jobs  that  are in  our  region,                                                                    
     especially in the fields of  health care.  Norton Sound                                                                    
     Health  Corporation employs  over  450  people in  this                                                                    
     region, most  of which  are not from  this region.   We                                                                    
     need  to fill  those jobs  with people  from our  area.                                                                    
     The other  area is  education.   We need  teachers from                                                                    
     our area to  teach our own children.   We need troopers                                                                    
     and [village public safety officers]  who are from this                                                                    
     area, along  with the trades  people, to help  keep our                                                                    
     villages,  our   schools,  our  cities   operating  and                                                                    
     running.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I think one of the other  things ... [is] since Nome is                                                                    
     the hub for  this region, it will help  to bring people                                                                    
     in at  a younger age  to get to  know the kids  in Nome                                                                    
     and the  community of  Nome, take them  out of  a small                                                                    
     environment  and bring  them into  a little  bit larger                                                                    
       environment, [making] the transition a little bit                                                                        
        easier.  It will also help the people in Nome to                                                                        
     understand the people in the smaller villages.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1948                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LAVERNE SMITH, City  Council Member, City of  Nome, testified via                                                               
teleconference.    She  stated  that   she  is  employed  by  the                                                               
University  of Alaska  Fairbanks on  the Northwest  Campus.   She                                                               
said she is also a  program director for the Workforce Investment                                                               
Act and the Communities Schools  Program.  She explained that she                                                               
helps with job writing and  skill training and brings youths from                                                               
the different  villages into Nome  to do job shadowing  with Nome                                                               
businesses to participate with on-campus  activities.  She stated                                                               
that one  of the things  that would  happen with this  program is                                                               
that  students would  get  the opportunity  to  participate in  a                                                               
swimming program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SHARON  SWOPE, Ph.D.,  Interim Superintendent,  Nome City  School                                                               
District, testified  via teleconference.   She stated that  it is                                                               
[the  Nome City  School District's]  position, through  the joint                                                               
approval of  this conceptual plan, that  it is a good  example of                                                               
collaborative partnership not only  between the school districts,                                                               
but  also among  Native organizations,  the economic  development                                                               
commission, the northwest campus, and  the city government.  This                                                               
is an attempt to seek a  solution to a complex rural problem, and                                                               
it is [the Nome City  School District's] position that this pilot                                                               
program  should  move  in  that   direction.    She  stated  that                                                               
targeting a specific  population of the last two  years of public                                                               
education  through the  first  two years  of  adulthood serves  a                                                               
particular group  of students by  transitioning them from  a kind                                                               
of "lost" point to a successful point.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BOB MEDINGER,  Teacher and Administrator, Lower  Kuskokwim School                                                               
District (LKSD),  testified via  teleconference.  He  stated that                                                               
he is currently the site  administrator of the Bethel Alternative                                                               
Boarding  School,  which is  a  small  regional boarding  Vo-Tech                                                               
(vocational technical)  school.  He  said that he does  have some                                                               
concerns with  some of the  language of the  bill.  Page  1, line                                                               
12, references  a pilot project utilizing  existing facilities at                                                               
former vocational  education centers.   He  would prefer  to have                                                               
that language deleted because currently,  as the bill is written,                                                               
it is  not allowing other  areas of  the state to  participate in                                                               
this program.   On page  2, lines 7, 8,  and 9, it  references an                                                               
average daily membership  between 1,750 and 2,000.   Actually, he                                                               
said, no one  else in the state  would be able to  fill that bill                                                               
except  the Nome  region.    He would  like  to  see that  number                                                               
increased  to an  average daily  membership of  4,000 that  would                                                               
then  give the  entire rest  of  rural Alaska  an opportunity  to                                                               
participate in this pilot program.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEDINGER stated:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Just  to  give  you some  additional  information  that                                                                    
     would be in  support of our area going for  that, we do                                                                    
     have  an  area in  the  delta  of  28,000 people  -  56                                                                    
     villages  out  here.    And   within  our  school,  ...                                                                    
     although  I served  60 kids  this year,  we've had  260                                                                    
     applicants since we  opened. ... We put  a great little                                                                    
     program  together,  but we're  really  on  the edge  of                                                                    
     being  able  to show  any  kind  of expansion  or  even                                                                    
     maintain  our   program.    However,  we've   also  had                                                                    
     tremendous  partnering  and  expansion plans  and  have                                                                    
     been  moving  toward  a  new   school  ...  [known]  as                                                                    
     People's  Learning  Center.    We  have  been  also  in                                                                    
     contact  with   [U.S.]  Senator  Stevens  and   have  a                                                                    
     tremendous  partnership  that's  been  built  with  the                                                                    
     regional  health corporation,  the Kuskokwim  campus of                                                                    
     the university,  [and] the  regional tribal  profit and                                                                    
     nonprofit  organizations.     Basically,  all   of  the                                                                    
     organizations out  here are in  desperate need  for Vo-                                                                    
     Tech training for our people.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2229                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANELLE VANASSE,  Lower Kuskokwim School District,  testified via                                                               
teleconference.  She stated that she  is in favor of the bill but                                                               
has some of the  same concerns as Mr. Medinger.   She said she is                                                               
not in  favor of how  narrow the focus  is of the  bill, pointing                                                               
directly at  Nome.  It  was earlier  mentioned that the  ADM line                                                               
was placed  in the bill to  avoid special-interest [legislation];                                                               
however,  she  said  she  would  argue  that  it  does  just  the                                                               
opposite.    It  places  the  pilot  program  in  Nome,  with  no                                                               
consideration  of  the  possible  value of  a  pilot  program  in                                                               
another area  of Alaska.   There are  several rural  Alaska areas                                                               
that  have been  investigating  the merit  of regionally  serving                                                               
vocational learning  centers.   Many of  those regions  have gone                                                               
through a process  of developing a plan and  have pulled together                                                               
some  programs.   She  stated  that  she  would argue  that  they                                                               
deserve some consideration.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-27, SIDE A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANASSE  continued,  stating that  program  initiatives  are                                                               
already  happening  in  Bethel  and for  the  Yukon  River  Delta                                                               
region.  She said she would  argue that other programs need to be                                                               
considered as a  pilot program if HB  239 is to go  forward.  She                                                               
added that Bethel  also has the jobs and initiatives  going on in                                                               
the  construction  trade,  early   childhood,  health  care,  and                                                               
aviation fields.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0127                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS asked  if Bruce Johnson or  Eddie Jeans from                                                               
the  Department of  Education and  Early Development  (EED) could                                                               
tell  the committee  how many  districts fall  into the  1,750 to                                                               
2,000 ADM.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE  JEANS, Manager,  School  Finance  and Facilities  Section,                                                               
Education  Support Services,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development, came  forth and stated  that the  regional education                                                               
attendance area that  had an ADM of 1,750 but  less than 2,000 in                                                               
fiscal  year   2000  was  the  Bering   Strait  School  District.                                                               
Therefore,  this  bill  would  require  that  the  pilot  program                                                               
operate  within  the  boundaries  of  the  Bering  Strait  School                                                               
District, which Nome deals with.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS stated  that she  was surprised  to see  no                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  responded that the reason  there is no fiscal  note is                                                               
because "we're"  just now  learning what the  intent of  the bill                                                               
is.  There will be a fiscal note forthcoming.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  stated that there  is no evaluation  of the                                                               
pilot program in the bill.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0330                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE replied that the reason  that is not brought into the                                                               
bill is  because as [the  EED] and the districts  themselves draw                                                               
up the  working agreement,  that would come  out of  the document                                                               
that is  developed to guide the  program.  He added  that this is                                                               
very much at the conceptual stage.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  stated  that  she thinks  the  concept  is                                                               
great, but  the bill seems to  be nebulous.  She  said Bethel has                                                               
this,  Chugach has  a  house project,  and  Kotzebue has  thought                                                               
about this.   She asked,  if districts  seem to already  be doing                                                               
this, why this needs to be put in statute.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  responded that  the programs  she mentioned  are run                                                               
within the  confines of one  school district; this is  two school                                                               
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  remarked that  it sounds like  a memorandum                                                               
of  understanding agreement  between  two school  districts.   He                                                               
asked why  something would need  to be  put into statute  for two                                                               
school districts to work together.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0501                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE stated  that the  districts would  like some  formal                                                               
recognition from the [EED], and  with that there will probably be                                                               
some oversight.   The reason  the bill  is nebulous, he  said, is                                                               
because  when  he  requested  that  a bill  be  drafted,  it  was                                                               
difficult  for the  drafters to  sort  out what  was being  done.                                                               
Therefore, after  many cutbacks,  it is now  just a  directive to                                                               
the department to recognize a pilot program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  asked  if   there  is  nothing  right  now                                                               
stopping  Nome  and  Bering Strait  from  working  together,  and                                                               
whether this  would just  be a recognition  from the  state, with                                                               
some role that is to be determined by the [EED].                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE  responded  that  his  interpretation  is  that  the                                                               
districts could move forward despite this.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  asked, if  federal funds are  not available                                                               
for such a project, how this is going to be funded.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  answered that the districts  are currently operating                                                               
programs  and would  use existing  funds.   Nome also  has had  a                                                               
grant for a  facility upgrade of $5,269,000  from the legislature                                                               
in past  years, and has also  passed a bond for  $2,260,000 - its                                                               
match to the  project.  Those funds are available  for working on                                                               
the facilities.   He added  that the  federal funds would  not be                                                               
the only source of funding.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  asked  if   the  district  that  would  be                                                               
administering this would be Nome or Bering Strait.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LaBOLLE responded  that he  would  visualize it  as being  a                                                               
sharing of  responsibility and administration  by the  two school                                                               
districts.    For  example,  he said  he  thinks  the  graduation                                                               
requirements would  be the   districts' responsibility.   [As far                                                               
as  the  administration of  the  Regional  Learning Center],  the                                                               
dormitories  would  be administered  by  Bering  Strait, and  the                                                               
classroom buildings would be administered by the City of Nome.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS   asked  if   there  would,  then,   be  no                                                               
administration  oversight,  by the  EED  or  the State  Board  of                                                               
Education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LaBOLLE  answered that  he thinks  if it  is a  pilot project                                                               
there will  be some  oversight but not  by the  administrators of                                                               
the complex.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 239 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Education  meeting was  adjourned at  9:52                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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